Thursday, September 16, 2010

Hate, suffering, meaning, purpose, Love

I: I hate you.
You: Why do I hate you?
I: Because you make me suffer.
You: But I make you suffer too. Shouldn't you hate me as well?
I: That is what I said.
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I: I hates you.
You: Why does I hate you?
I: Because you makes I suffer.
You: But I makes you suffer too. Shouldn't you hate I as well?
I: I is you.
This doesn't make sense. Or maybe it does.
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I: I hate you.
You: Why do you hate me?
I: Because you make me suffer.
You: But you make me suffer too. Shouldn't I hate you as well?
I: I am you.
Y: I know.
I: Why am I talking to you?
Y: Because there is no one else around.
I: Why do you make me suffer?
Y: I could ask the same of you.
I: I asked first, so answer.
Y: I don't know. I guess it is because I am ignorant.
I: You guess?
Y: Well yeah. I don't feel certain.
I: What is ignorance?
Y: To not know... something.
I: So you are saying that you simply don't know why you make me and yourself suffer.
Y: That is right.
I: So find out! For it hurts!
Y: OK... So what sorts of things make you suffer?
I: I don't know. Meaninglessness, fear, pain, ugliness.
Y: Hmm.
So if we replaced meaninglessness with meaning, fear with love, pain with pleasure and ugliness with beauty then everything would be OK?
I: As long as it stayed that way then yes.
Y: So how are we going to make it stay that way?
I: I don't know! You tell me!
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I: I am the hamster!!!
Y: Yeah.
I: It is horrible!
Y: Why?
I: I don't want to be a hamster!
Y: Why?
I: It is pitiful. It is sad, meaningless.
Y: Yeah, well. Hamsters aren't the end goal of evolution.
I: Are we?
Y: Don't know.
I: Is anything?
Y: I hope so.
I: Why?
Y: For if not then it's all meaningless.
I: If there is no end goal?
Y: Yeah.
I: What is an end goal?
Y: An absolute purpose.
I: What is that?
Y: The reason why things keep changing.
I: Not the reason why anything exists?
Y: I don't think so. It is the change of what exists that makes it seem like there is a goal.
I: Doesn't the appearance of a goal depend on the nature of this change?
Y: I guess.
I: How can you know there is change?
Y: It seems like it.
I: What if there is just an infinity of conscious quantum states, many of which contain references to other states than themselves, thus making it seem like there is change?
Y: If that were true then you need to explain how each such state is replaced by another and what links them with each other.
I: Whey all get experienced by God.
Y: How long does each state last?
I: Uh... no time? It is instantaneous?
Y: OK... And what is the sequence?
I: There is none. It all gets experienced simultaneously in one big meta-moment.
Y: Fair enough. But what about the apparent sequence? Is there absolutely anything to say about it? Is there any value to this theory, even assuming that it is true?
I: That depends on what value is. What is value?
Y: It is the stuff of meaning.
I: And what is meaning?
Y: A feeling. The more meaningful something feels the more valuable it appears.
I: So you are saying meaning isn't real?
Y: No. I am saying meaning is completely real.
I: Why?
Y: Because feelings are real!
I: But we don't even understand feelings.
Y: Of course we do! Feelings are the very stuff of understanding!
N: So it is all about the feelings we have about existence?
Y: Yes.
N: What determines these feelings?
Y: Your power.
N: What controls your power?
Y: Your will?
N: What is your will?
Y: A feeling.
N: So a feeling controls feelings?
Y: Yes. But it is not all about control. It is about experiencing those feelings we value most.
N: Which are those?
Y: We know that intrinsically from the experience of that feeling.
N: But wouldn't an approach like this to experience make life fake?
Y: No. Because that is not the feeling we are supposed to be aiming for. We need a real feeling of spirituality.
N: And that is it? Feeling spiritual is going to fix everything?
Y: No. We need freely chosen, actively directed love. We need to become deliberate. We need to stop being afraid of ourselves and each other.

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